Extreme Cinema

Extreme Films

   First off I would like to thank our host, Stinger839, for starting this most promising group!   The subject matter of  Extreme Cinema  has a lot of potential for some interesting conversations.   I think I will be here regularly talking about many movies that are near and dear to me!   So let's start this thing off with a 'bang', shall we?

   Last night when my partner Phantasma-Gore-ia and I became the first people to join this group we quickly discovered that we were not able to list any films on the existing group list so I started my own list called  Extreme Films...   The first three movies I listed on here are legendary examples of Extreme Cinema.   First off,  Deliverance ...   John Boorman's take on the infamous James Dickey novel is a phenomenal film that deals with man's survival instincts in the face of overwhelming odds.   Although most people can not get past the homosexual rape scene and the subsequent murders and Burt Reynold's compound fracture of his thigh bone that would make ANYBODY wince!   Yeah, this movie is a little bit over-the-top...   Next on the list is  Mandingo .   This shocking story of slavery in the old South is nothing short of being  'politically incorrect' ...   Former heavy-weight boxing champion Ken Norton stars as 'Mede', a Mandingo warrior who is captured and sold to a wealthy southern family and is trained to be a "fightin' nigger" who is forced to fight against other slaves for the betting pleasure of his owner.   Sexual debauchery abounds in this perverse tale that ends with Mede being shot and boiled alive and 'pitchforked' to death! ...   Next is  Pretty Baby ...  Brooke Shields  made her movie debut in this shocker about prostitution in New Orleans.   Susan Sarandon is a prostitute in a New Orleans brothel who becomes pregnant and decides to keep her child.   That child (Brooke Shields) is raised in the brothel until she becomes 12 and then her virginity is auctioned off to the highest bidder.   About this time she becomes the obsession of a French photographer named Bellocq who is actually more interested in photographing he young girl than he is in touching her!   Although there is deffinately a physical relationship that is more hinted at than actually shown!   The thing is this...   12 year old Brooke Shields spends much of this movie running around naked!   This movie received a wide theatrical release back in the day and was a 'mainstream' movie!   Today this movie would be called 'kiddie-porn' and it would be illegal to even THINK about it!   That is pretty extreme in my book...

   Obviously no list of 'extreme' films would not be complete without the scariest, most disturbing Horror movie ever made so I must go now and add  The Exorcist  to my list as well as  Nekromantik !

                                                                  < GOR >

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hey dr gor, thanks for letting me know know about this new group. extremely intriguing: however, i feel i might need a phd to converserse with u guys. don't get me wrong. i am disabled and i live thru movies. even tho i get more then the average bear ur group ur like the super heros of the movie worlds and i don't want to be chim-chim. i feel i have opinions to offer, i just may not be able to articullate as well as u and ur friends. i leave my fate in ur hands. i have thick skin. if i can take brain surgery i can take ur critizism, btw i can't spell and i don't even care, and i nvr lie, i'm brutely honest, but not intentionally cruel. u say the word and i'm gone, on the other hand, give homework and i'll watch a flick and give an opinion.

Sincerely, YuanRen

Dr_Gor:

   First off I would like to thank our host, Stinger839, for starting this most promising group!   The subject matter of  Extreme Cinema  has a lot of potential for some interesting conversations.   I think I will be here regularly talking about many movies that are near and dear to me!   So let's start this thing off with a 'bang', shall we?

   Last night when my partner Phantasma-Gore-ia and I became the first people to join this group we quickly discovered that we were not able to list any films on the existing group list so I started my own list called  Extreme Films...   The first three movies I listed on here are legendary examples of Extreme Cinema.   First off,  Deliverance ...   John Boorman's take on the infamous James Dickey novel is a phenomenal film that deals with man's survival instincts in the face of overwhelming odds.   Although most people can not get past the homosexual rape scene and the subsequent murders and Burt Reynold's compound fracture of his thigh bone that would make ANYBODY wince!   Yeah, this movie is a little bit over-the-top...   Next on the list is  Mandingo .   This shocking story of slavery in the old South is nothing short of being  'politically incorrect' ...   Former heavy-weight boxing champion Ken Norton stars as 'Mede', a Mandingo warrior who is captured and sold to a wealthy southern family and is trained to be a "fightin' nigger" who is forced to fight against other slaves for the betting pleasure of his owner.   Sexual debauchery abounds in this perverse tale that ends with Mede being shot and boiled alive and 'pitchforked' to death! ...   Next is  Pretty Baby ...  Brooke Shields  made her movie debut in this shocker about prostitution in New Orleans.   Susan Sarandon is a prostitute in a New Orleans brothel who becomes pregnant and decides to keep her child.   That child (Brooke Shields) is raised in the brothel until she becomes 12 and then her virginity is auctioned off to the highest bidder.   About this time she becomes the obsession of a French photographer named Bellocq who is actually more interested in photographing he young girl than he is in touching her!   Although there is deffinately a physical relationship that is more hinted at than actually shown!   The thing is this...   12 year old Brooke Shields spends much of this movie running around naked!   This movie received a wide theatrical release back in the day and was a 'mainstream' movie!   Today this movie would be called 'kiddie-porn' and it would be illegal to even THINK about it!   That is pretty extreme in my book...

   Obviously no list of 'extreme' films would not be complete without the scariest, most disturbing Horror movie ever made so I must go now and add  The Exorcist  to my list as well as  Nekromantik !

                                                                  < GOR >

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yuanren:

hey dr gor, thanks for letting me know know about this new group. extremely intriguing: however, i feel i might need a phd to converserse with u guys. don't get me wrong. i am disabled and i live thru movies. even tho i get more then the average bear ur group ur like the super heros of the movie worlds and i don't want to be chim-chim. i feel i have opinions to offer, i just may not be able to articullate as well as u and ur friends. i leave my fate in ur hands. i have thick skin. if i can take brain surgery i can take ur critizism, btw i can't spell and i don't even care, and i nvr lie, i'm brutely honest, but not intentionally cruel. u say the word and i'm gone, on the other hand, give homework and i'll watch a flick and give an opinion.

Sincerely, YuanRen

 Welcome my friend!   If you have an opinion about movies you are welcome where ever I am!   I sent you an invitation to join our Horror Movies 101 group and I hope you will accept!   I am quite certain that your intelligence is far beyond mine!   Just ask anyone who knows me!   I am a 'caveman'/barbarian and I can barely spell myself...   I only made it through the 9th grade so I never even WENT to High School!   You and your opinions are more than welcome any place I am at and if anyone makes fun of you or belittles you in any way I will be more than happy to kill them for you!   Fair enough?

   Have you seen any of the movies I mentioned in the previous post?   If not, what are your favorites?   I am looking forward to talking to you some more...  

                             Your Friend,    Dr. Gor 

     

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Big it up to Dr.Gor for kicking off discussion.

I'm new to SPOUT, so I don't know how lists within groups usually work, but basically I didn't want people adding stuff willy-nilly as I wanted the 'Paradigm Extreme' list to be temporarily an intro into what the group's about, and eventually just the creme de la creme.  I'm open to expanding it (and The Exorcist was my biggest oversight) but I would like to maintain control over it and keep it relatively small.

As of now, I didn't include films I hadn't seen yet even if they were definite extreme by what other film analysts have said (Nekromantik, Ilsa She Wolf of the SS, Baise-moi, Irreversible, Antropophagus pop into mind) and if membership picks up here, the goal for this list is to make it what its title says, "Paradigm Extreme". Like I've got a few Miike titles on there, and though an expanded 'Extreme Cinema' list would probably include all or most of his filmography, ideally only one maybe two of his titles would be on the 'Paradigm' list. Sort of how we could decide on a definitve Italian cannibalism extreme film instead of listing them all. The ideal would be if each sub-genre or topic gets one or two examples on the 'Paradigm' list, and all the films up for discussion could go in the bigger list. 

Narrowing it down to the pure gold will require a village; for example, 'Descent' feels pretty lukewarm compared to other movies featuring rape out there, but for my own sanity (and lack of awareness of other films) I haven't poured through every film which uses rape as the crux of the story. So while 'Irreversible' or an obscure foreign may have a more upsetting and graphic rape scene, Rosario Dawson's got the limelight for now.

So what do people think of this idea: We'll have an expanded list with everything, and 'Paradigm Extreme' can be an ongoing community project.

_kelly

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Tetsuo: The Iron Man might be a good candidate.  This guy's penis turns into a giant drill!

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Just thought of this one while adding it to another list:

Requiem for a Dream.  Its loud, its dark, its graphic, its gory.  Towards the end we witness a gangrene-infected arm being sawed off, followed by a pretty hard-to-watch 'sex scene', as well as the total mental collapse of an older woman.  This one is definately extreme in its brutal and graphic portrayal of drug addiction and the depths that users will sink to, and makes you rethink who is actually vulnerable to addiction.

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Stinger839:

.Narrowing it down to the pure gold will require a village; for example, 'Descent' feels pretty lukewarm compared to other movies featuring rape out there, but for my own sanity (and lack of awareness of other films) I haven't poured through every film which uses rape as the crux of the story. So while 'Irreversible' or an obscure foreign may have a more upsetting and graphic rape scene, Rosario Dawson's got the limelight for now.

 

_kelly

   Hmmm. Rape scenes.   I think I have an answer for this one.   First I must make a disclaimer and state that I think that rape is the most heinous of all crimes and it makes me sick to my stomach.   That being said, I can think of several movies that have at least one disturbing rape scene and these are some of the most disturbing movies to me...

   Besides  Deliverance , the only other movie I can think of with a homosexual rape scene would be  Pulp Fiction .   Although I really didn't find that one disturbing as much as humorous.   As for really disturbing rape scenes we have ;

   Billy Jack  :  It is the disturbing rape of Billy's girlfriend Jean that sets him on a murderous revenge rampage...

  Last House On The Left  :  Brutal rape and murder lead to bloody revenge in this drive-in classic...

   A Clockwork Orange  :  One of the more disturbing rape scenes ever filmed helps lead to the eventual downfall of our anti-hero in Kubrick's classic...

   Straw Dogs  :  This Peckinpah classic has one of the more disturbing rape scenes of all time...

   The Hills Have Eyes (remake)  :  I am not usually one to tout remakes (just ask anyone!) but in this case the remake has something that the original did not...  a VERY brutal rape scene!   (I STILL liked the original better!) ...

   And now we come down to it...   movies that deal PRIMARILY with rape and revenge!   And here are my top three choices in this category counting down to number one...

   Lipstick  :  The Hemingway sisters have never looked lovlier than in this graphic tale of rape and revenge...

  Ms. 45  :  This seldom seen movie is awesome!   When a young deaf-mute girl is raped twice in one day she kills the second assailant by bashing his brains in with a clothes iron and, taking his gun, goes on a revenge spree that is unequaled in motion pictures...

   And the number one rape and revenge movie of all time...

   I Spit On Your Grave  :  This thing is just brutal nasty!   The heroine is repeatedly gang raped throughout the first half hour of this horrible film before she goes on a revenge spree to beat them all!   This thing is brutal and NASTY!   THE creme-de-la-creme of rape films...

                                                                         < GOR >

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Rape scenes have always left me uncomfortable in any movie, but the one that was most uncomfortable is in a move called Lost Girls, if you haven't seen this film (base on actual events) it may be worth your time.

As far as extream films go I really like audition, It seems rather unremarkable until the last 20 to 30 minutes, then its no holds barred and you feel almost sick to your stomach when its over.

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I'm going to add one more film here... Ragtime was for me an extreme film.  Really, anything based on an EL Doctorow book would have to be extreme, but this really made me squirm in a few places.  The main character is a pervert, obsessed with an aristocrat's trophy wife (he falls out of the closet he is watching her with her presumably lesbian/bi masseuse from, naked from the waist down)... there are some really hard-to-watch scenes involving racist hate crimes as well.  Not entirely sure why, but those types of scenes sometimes disturb me the most.  Anyways, the film is twisted, grotesque, graphic and disturbing nearly beginning to end in true Doctorow fashion.  As I recall, it did well in the theatres and is a film-school favorite to this day, though it seems to have fallen outside the mainstream in recent years.

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seely:

I'm going to add one more film here... Ragtime was for me an extreme film.  Really, anything based on an EL Doctorow book would have to be extreme, but this really made me squirm in a few places.  The main character is a pervert, obsessed with an aristocrat's trophy wife (he falls out of the closet he is watching her with her presumably lesbian/bi masseuse from, naked from the waist down)... there are some really hard-to-watch scenes involving racist hate crimes as well.  Not entirely sure why, but those types of scenes sometimes disturb me the most.  Anyways, the film is twisted, grotesque, graphic and disturbing nearly beginning to end in true Doctorow fashion.  As I recall, it did well in the theatres and is a film-school favorite to this day, though it seems to have fallen outside the mainstream in recent years.

I think I was required to watch this for a class.  It might have been some media and culture class at Calvin College.  BTW, Seely, are you affiliated at all with Calvin?  I know a number of people working for Spout have attended there.